tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post5808262960531838405..comments2023-11-03T04:53:09.679-07:00Comments on Con Man's Blog: Legal Thriller-Type Scam:: Blend of Identity Theft and Home TheftJack Paynehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02838385417692720281noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-73849129189543849082010-02-14T15:35:22.976-08:002010-02-14T15:35:22.976-08:00[... ] is other nice source of information on this...[... ] is other nice source of information on this subject[...]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-18303363306440893102008-05-25T18:16:00.000-07:002008-05-25T18:16:00.000-07:00Gosh, criminals are becoming more and more creativ...Gosh, criminals are becoming more and more creative, don't they? The story reminds me of a news from local TV the other night. There's this guy who put an ad of renting the house that doesn't belong to him on Craiglists, with the pictures of the house taken from Google! Is that something?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-32765555082898513122008-05-25T11:44:00.000-07:002008-05-25T11:44:00.000-07:00Swu, you are 100% right. The home is usually the c...Swu, you are 100% right. The home is usually the centerpiece and biggest ticket item of a person's estate. Hence, this is scary, indeed, when it hits so close to (pun intended) home.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Yes, Barry, the variations in this scheme are many. You are right. I only touched on the main thrust of it in this piece.<BR/><BR/>Diane, of course, in the long run, your true identity is easily provable. But, when dealing with "identity theft" as currently defined, we're talking about paper identity thievery. It's a fake it, and take the money and run thing--BEFORE there's any time to get into personal verifications of identity. Perhaps, somewhere along the line photo IDs will play a bigger role--which would move proof of identity much furthe up-front, timewise. Trouble here is Civil Libertarians, the A.C.L.U. and such, always bitterly fight this approach, on "privacy" grounds.Jack Paynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02838385417692720281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-29914306340019349592008-05-25T10:29:00.000-07:002008-05-25T10:29:00.000-07:00Hi Jack! Been a while since I visited, but appreci...Hi Jack! Been a while since I visited, but appreciated this information greatly.<BR/><BR/>Question: If someone were to assume your identity, yet you have living relatives and friends who know YOU are you, how could they get away with this?<BR/><BR/>In the thriller movies, it's the person minus anyone that's usually targeted.<BR/><BR/>Just wondering outloud...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-55198438642131218672008-05-25T07:22:00.000-07:002008-05-25T07:22:00.000-07:00I have heard of variations on this scam before - b...I have heard of variations on this scam before - but that they do it with houses "on the market", all else the same as you explained.<BR/><BR/>Houses on the market make the bad paperwork even more believeable.Barryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828019428406765782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-25243827057614385162008-05-24T08:49:00.000-07:002008-05-24T08:49:00.000-07:00Con Man:In my opinion this is the scariest con you...Con Man:<BR/><BR/>In my opinion this is the scariest con you've posted so far. I had no idea that it was so easy to steal a house, but I see the logic. Assume the identity, transfer the title, and then either sell or refinance - what a nightmare.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for this enlightening episode.<BR/><BR/>HAve a nice day.Swubirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16009070690312312456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-10742634505966778772008-05-23T14:18:00.000-07:002008-05-23T14:18:00.000-07:00Hi,I'm Elmer and I work at pacificadvance.com, a c...Hi,<BR/><BR/>I'm Elmer and I work at pacificadvance.com, a company interested in blog advertizing. I found your blog legalthriller.blogspot.com engaging and I'm contacting you to ask if you are interested in blog post sponsorship.<BR/><BR/>If you are interested, kindly mail back (elmer@pacificadvance.com) and I'll send you pricing details, guidelines and processes. Looking forward to doing business with you.<BR/><BR/>Sincerely,<BR/><BR/>Elmer<BR/>Pacificadvance.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-89785692598932340692008-05-23T13:54:00.000-07:002008-05-23T13:54:00.000-07:00Welcome back for the curtain call, Dee. You're alw...Welcome back for the curtain call, Dee. You're always welcome. Sorry I blew your cover.<BR/><BR/>You're right, Old Man, yours is a foolproof plan.<BR/><BR/>Invisible ink has been out of fashion for a number of years, Ora. Don't know why. It appears to be a good solution to a lot of problems. Maybe it should come back for consideration.Jack Paynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02838385417692720281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-61180526545811759982008-05-23T13:07:00.000-07:002008-05-23T13:07:00.000-07:00How about invisible ink? Would a simple solution ...How about invisible ink? Would a simple solution like this work?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-13882410208555814932008-05-23T12:40:00.000-07:002008-05-23T12:40:00.000-07:00Jack, I have a foolproof plan. I live in my van, d...Jack, I have a foolproof plan. I live in my van, down by the river. <BR/><BR/>I find it sad that these scammers are so intelligent and use their gift for evil.Da Old Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02529514518271981093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-55827128491513289162008-05-22T15:18:00.000-07:002008-05-22T15:18:00.000-07:00Oh Lord I've been outed. Sometimes though I wish I...Oh Lord I've been outed. Sometimes though I wish I could be at least an ersatz (love that word)legal thriller author. Jack's writing is great!<BR/><BR/>I can't help myself I keep coming back for more.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17083331411694803694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-42646756003298828332008-05-22T14:11:00.000-07:002008-05-22T14:11:00.000-07:00Life is what happens to you when you are making ot...Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans. That gets my vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-37412230344924454982008-05-22T10:31:00.000-07:002008-05-22T10:31:00.000-07:00I like, hindsight is the only exact science. How ...I like, hindsight is the only exact science. How true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-4027885230404738812008-05-21T21:12:00.000-07:002008-05-21T21:12:00.000-07:00It sounds like Jamaica has a better handle on how ...It sounds like Jamaica has a better handle on how to protect home owners than does the U.S. of A., Dee. The F.B.I. is plenty worried about this one, and has put out several alerts on it, testament to not having very good control. Made on a specific kind of paper, huh? Sounds like some kind of anti-counterfeiting scheme. Oh, well, if it works...that's all that counts. <BR/><BR/>Dee is a lawyer, Julia, who could, no doubt, run rings around me on the specifics and fine points of law. I'm an "ersatz" (fake) lawyer...took every pre-law class I could in college, then dropped the plan to bercome a lawyer at the last minute and shifted to Business Administration (minor in commercial journalism). By the time I hit my senior year I was so broke that I didn't have much choice. My hard-working wife took me as a dependent on her income tax return. Very embarrassing. Oh, well, it all worked out to my satisfaction.Jack Paynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02838385417692720281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-62308932346409858682008-05-21T20:10:00.000-07:002008-05-21T20:10:00.000-07:00I like, then die of baldness. I never knew anyone...I like, then die of baldness. I never knew anyone ever died of baldness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-80108500007196211312008-05-21T18:28:00.000-07:002008-05-21T18:28:00.000-07:00Jack, you and Dee must be great minds coming toget...Jack, you and Dee must be great minds coming together. Did you notice the timing on your earlier posts?...it was 1:31 PM, on the same dot...similar thinking at the same time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-20538384574593919492008-05-21T18:07:00.000-07:002008-05-21T18:07:00.000-07:00Jack, I like this give and take with Dee. She sou...Jack, I like this give and take with Dee. She sounds like a lawyer. I don't know about you, but you seem to know the law like the back of your hand. After reading your book and the exploits of Steve Draves, I can only think, only a lawyer could write this, with all these scams, and all of them legal. How else? No wonder your book is so popular with lawyers and law libraries. Come on now, Jack, own up, besides being a brilliant writer, what are you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-60038481686963323072008-05-21T16:55:00.000-07:002008-05-21T16:55:00.000-07:00Isn't it a real conundrum when the burden of proof...Isn't it a real conundrum when the burden of proof shifts to the victim to prove his innocence?<BR/><BR/>We should all start using fake names, reserving our real ones for official documents. Jeez!Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17083331411694803694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-86116971726874924512008-05-21T13:31:00.001-07:002008-05-21T13:31:00.001-07:00I forgot to mention my further thoughts on a defen...I forgot to mention my further thoughts on a defense for this sort of scam. It goes back to dating, that function that the legal system holds in such high regard. About the only sound defense is to go back over all pertinent documents and bring out the various filing dates. Usually a pattern of logical progression can be put together this way. It is probably the best way to prove your position--by earlier dating--while disproving the scam artist's pattern, which has to have missed some documents, or have an inconsistent pattern in some way.Jack Paynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02838385417692720281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-53303393090469321502008-05-21T13:31:00.000-07:002008-05-21T13:31:00.000-07:00Gosh Jack this one is devious. I wonder how this w...Gosh Jack this one is devious. I wonder how this would work in my jurisdiction. Here titles are issued in duplicate (made of a specific type of paper).<BR/><BR/>The original is always kept at the land agency and the owner keeps the duplicate. In order to effect the transfer the duplicate must accompany the transfer to the agency and the transfer is endorsed on both the original and duplicate.<BR/><BR/>Darn it, these identity scams should cause the authorities to impose stricter requirements to combat this corruption of the obviously corruptible system.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17083331411694803694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-67144054799596915662008-05-21T13:22:00.000-07:002008-05-21T13:22:00.000-07:00I think restricting sales would not be advisable, ...I think restricting sales would not be advisable, Bern. But, how to trace, that's another possibility. Perhaps some kind of serial numbering (something like gun registration) might work...so these forms could be traced back to the buyers of the forms.<BR/><BR/>That's terrible, about your friend, Earl. You've put one of these horror stories up front: an actual example. My heart goes out to this friend of yours, and, particularly, his poor wife, who had an actual health-threatening reaction from it. Maybe the way to go is something along the line I suggested above. Something like encryption, password access--highly personalized protectors along this line.Jack Paynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02838385417692720281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-79962469924366940402008-05-21T13:02:00.000-07:002008-05-21T13:02:00.000-07:00I would think there would be some restrictions on ...I would think there would be some restrictions on those forms, Bern.<BR/>To Melvin and Earl I am so sorry to hear about your friends. I hope things work out for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-27982689911611995612008-05-21T11:35:00.000-07:002008-05-21T11:35:00.000-07:00I've got to jump in here, this hits so close to ho...I've got to jump in here, this hits so close to home. This is exactly what happened to a business associate of mine. What a Christmas gift. He had his one million dollar home stolen right out from under him. Your analogy of clacking geese is good, Jack. The noise is still so great he's still fighting it to prove he's the rightful owner while the bad guys got away with a big bunch of money under this noisey cover. His wife had some kind of nervous breakdown and was hospitalized. This is one of the most vicious scams I have ever heard of, and it looks like you're right, there is no defense against it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-61417450813066948342008-05-21T10:53:00.000-07:002008-05-21T10:53:00.000-07:00Maybe if these forms weren't so readily available ...Maybe if these forms weren't so readily available in office supply stores this scam wouldn't go so far.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4267286454117551349.post-40051329424366728382008-05-21T10:43:00.000-07:002008-05-21T10:43:00.000-07:00Melvin, double sales are becoming more and more co...Melvin, double sales are becoming more and more common, sometimes even triple sales of the same property. Good observation. I probably should have included something along this line in the article.<BR/><BR/>Yes, Muse, you would think more people would have heard of title searches, wouldn't you? That would cut through so much of this, simplify the whole thing considerably.Jack Paynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02838385417692720281noreply@blogger.com